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January 02, 2009

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Seth

If the US were to switch over to an LVT system, which agency would determine the value of that land for taxation purposes?

Secondly, I can understand taxing out low rents in some cases, but with eminent domain laws at least you get a fighting chance. With LVT, I can see people forced to sell their homes dirt cheap because developers would just sweat them out until they couldn't pay their property taxes.

And you're right about Pittsburgh's economic plans. Building new arenas alone won't fix things. You gotta build more bars too.

ps. Go Pens

Nick Pinkston

Well, currently the system in the US has property taxes controlled by the municipalities. Apparently, they are the ones holding the allodial title which allows them to extract taxes from use of "their" land. The agency would be the city / country / township that already does property taxes & assessments. Really, only a simple equation is needed to adjust the tax based on usage of the land, vacancy rates, etc. which can be done very quick compared to assessing each house piecemeal.

The US Gov't might be able to indirectly get at this tax if they started taking taxes directly from the states & the states had the freedom to get this tax anyway they saw fit - such as with a LVT.

Eminent domain is good in some cases like roads, utilities, etc., but usually it screws people more than LVT. Harrisburg is a local case study of LVT in practice. LVT tax adjustments happen slowly (because real estate development is a slow process) - you'd notice your taxes going up & eventually you'd move if you were priced out of the market.

Even if you found oil on your property the month before reassessments, the tax would go up quickly, but your property value has just changed rapidly too. This means you can now borrow against your increase in equity to pay this tax in the short term before the pumps are installed.

This "fighting chance" of eminent domain is actually much smaller than your ability to fight under LVT. With LVT the tax % is based on the value on your property. Remember all land values are based (via mkt value) on the economic rents that said land can produce - whether lease prices, mineral rights, etc. This means as your land goes up in value - your LVT tax moves up accordingly. If you're forced to sell because of high taxes, it would be at fair market value - which is the same that eminent domain gives you anyway. Also, you could form community groups so that no one else would sell (this has been done too) so that the land value remains at current prices.

To me, I'm fine with building arenas & bars - just not with my money. Perhaps if they build these arenas they could at least give the citizens of Allegheny County dividends from their use.

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